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Aaron Parecki

  • oyam https://micro.blog/oyam   •   Feb 21

    @aaronpk Is maybe iMessages falling back on SMS? If there is no support for MMS, images would be left behind, and only text making it through.

    Aaron Parecki
    Nope I don't use a phone number with iMessage and all the bubbles are still blue.
    Portland, Oregon • 37°F
  • sirshannon https://micro.blog/sirshannon   •   Feb 21

    @aaronpk I probably know even less :)

    Aaron Parecki
    I guess I'm confused because I can upload photos to my website over https just fine but somehow photos in iMessage are blocked... šŸ¤”
    Wyola, Montana • 14°F
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    I guess? I don't know enough about the protocol and where the encryption happens to understand how that works.
    Otter, Montana • 12°F
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  • Larry Sanger https://twitter.com/lsanger   •   Feb 21
    No. They'd have to install the plugin, which demonstrates that the content actually resides elsewhere, outside of Twitter's control.
    Aaron Parecki
    But then they literally have to visit Twitter to see it. I still think it's a cool idea and would help me stay in touch with more people but it still seems like only half a solution.
    Letcher, South Dakota • 11°F
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  • Larry Sanger https://twitter.com/lsanger   •   Feb 21
    Another strategy would be to put half of your tweets on Twitter directly, then tweet out that you have another n tweets that people *could* have seen here, but they'll have to install the plugin.
    Aaron Parecki
    There is definitely already a *lot* of my content that doesn't make it to Twitter and you have to follow my website to see it. I hadn't considered actually promoting this fact on my Twitter account tho! Not a bad idea!
    Steen, Minnesota • 15°F
  • Larry Sanger https://twitter.com/lsanger   •   Feb 21
    But you're still using Twitter, which (a) helps them and (b) gives your tweeps no extra incentive to leave.

    If you made your stuff available only using a browser plugin that added your microposts to people's feeds, it would help make your open protocols go viral.
    Aaron Parecki
    Wouldn't making my content available via a browser plugin that shows it on twitter.com still do exactly the thing you're talking about, not giving my tweeps a reason to stop visiting Twitter?
    Steen, Minnesota • 15°F
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  • Jeena https://toot.jeena.net/@jeena   •   Feb 20

    @aaronpk I'm guessing you might know better, with #OAuth is it possible to only get the info if the user is who they claim to be (but without a password) or is it also possible to get the info to for example which groups he/she is associated with (like admin, user, reader)?

    Aaron Parecki
    Technically OAuth doesn't even give you user info, you're getting in to OpenID Connect/IndieAuth territory if you want that. As for groups and roles, those are super specific to the implementation so aren't really part of the standard at all. You can use OAuth as a framework to do this but you won't find much in the way of standards for it.
    Chicago, Illinois • 36°F
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  • gr36 https://micro.blog/gr36   •   Feb 20

    @aaronpk do you mind sharing how this is done?

    Aaron Parecki
    Not at all! I wrote up a bunch about how this works here: https://aaronparecki.com/2018/04/20/46/indieweb-reader-my-new-home-on-the-internet
    Chicago, Illinois, USA • 34°F
  • Darius Kazemi https://friend.camp/@darius   •   Feb 20

    @aaronpk This is echoing to a twitter account, yeah?

    Aaron Parecki
    Yeah I have to have a Twitter account for this to work but my site just uses the Twitter API to push content there.
    Chicago, Illinois • 32°F
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  • Aaron Parecki https://aaronparecki.com/   •   Feb 20
    Pretty pleased I managed to have this entire conversation with @lsanger on Twitter using only my own website and tools! Never had to visit Twitter or use any Twitter apps! Our #indieweb tools have come a long way! #ownyourdata
    Aaron Parecki
    and here is my previous post pushed out to Twitter and visible on Mastodon! #indieweb #ftw #distribution
    Chicago, Illinois, USA • 32°F
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    #indieweb #ftw #distribution
  • Larry Sanger https://twitter.com/lsanger   •   Feb 20
    Or rather, are they?
    Aaron Parecki
    Every W3C working group has a defined start and end date up front, and they have to be renewed explicitly. Twitter and Facebook of course aren't going to support the group, (not that they are members anyway), and the space is still new to other companies.
    Chicago, Illinois • 32°F
  • Larry Sanger https://twitter.com/lsanger   •   Feb 20
    Or rather, are they?
    Aaron Parecki
    It's a bit complicated, but there isn't a "W3C entity" that can be interested. Instead, representatives of member companies have to show support, and there wasn't enough interest from companies to keep it going after the 4 year charter was up.
    Chicago, Illinois • 32°F
  • Larry Sanger https://twitter.com/lsanger   •   Feb 20
    I might just do that.

    I also wonder if there might be some value in making the standards interoperable with the Everipedia Network. Itā€™s not just for encyclopedias.

    I actually want to study the standards themselves too. Have they been endorsed/adopted by the W3C?
    Aaron Parecki
    Wonderful!

    Yes, three of them are W3C Recommendations! There's also a few more pieces to the puzzle that were created after the W3C group concluded, more details here:

    https://spec.indieweb.org/
    Chicago, Illinois • 31°F
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  • Larry Sanger https://twitter.com/lsanger   •   Feb 20
    Twitter and the other big networks steal our privacy. We want them to disappear (or reform) for that reason. So we need to give people ways to exit the digital plantationā€”plugins are essential to that goal IMO.
    Aaron Parecki
    I agree, but a good first start is to treat it as ephemeral and own all of the content you post there so it doesn't matter if it disappears. I see you have a blog, so you can do it right now! Start posting there and use plugins to syndicate to Twitter!
    Chicago, Illinois • 31°F
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  • Larry Sanger https://twitter.com/lsanger   •   Feb 20
    But it does live on Twitter, right? I mean you have copied it there. I would rather not copy my stuff there if I donā€™t have to. I would prefer Twitter to die a long and painful death. Short would be OK too.

    You are not giving people any incentive to leave Twitter, are you?
    Aaron Parecki
    Maybe this example would help illustrate? Here's our conversation we've been having as far as I see it: https://aaronparecki.com/replies

    It's true that I still need a Twitter account for this to work, but if Twitter disappears tomorrow I wouldn't care.
    Chicago, Illinois • 31°F
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  • Larry Sanger https://twitter.com/lsanger   •   Feb 20
    Suppose I donā€™t want to copy anything to Twitter, but I want to let people who are on Twitter read my microposts on Twitter. Theyā€™d need a browser plug-in to do that. This way, we help them seek beyond that ecosystem and enter a broader, encompassing network.
    Aaron Parecki
    It would actually solve the issue with Facebook since they disabled their API and I can't post to it anymore. It'd be fun if my Facebook friends could still see my stuff! I'm just not willing to post there manually.
    Chicago, Illinois • 31°F
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  • Larry Sanger https://twitter.com/lsanger   •   Feb 20
    Suppose I donā€™t want to copy anything to Twitter, but I want to let people who are on Twitter read my microposts on Twitter. Theyā€™d need a browser plug-in to do that. This way, we help them seek beyond that ecosystem and enter a broader, encompassing network.
    Aaron Parecki
    Yeah I do like that idea! I might have to experiment with something like that. All the pieces are already in place to have that work with the IndieWeb building blocks too!
    Chicago, Illinois • 31°F
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  • Larry Sanger https://twitter.com/lsanger   •   Feb 20
    Iā€™m quite aware that these are not new ideas. Lots of people have been talking about this sort of thing for years. Itā€™s cool IndieWeb has made a start. Pretty exciting! I would like to learn more. Have you worked on my (4) and (5) at all, to make old nets forward-compatible?
    Aaron Parecki
    This way none of my content really lives on twitter since it's all on my site. Twitter is just a channel for me to have conversations with people who don't yet post on their own websites.
    Chicago, Illinois • 31°F
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  • Larry Sanger https://twitter.com/lsanger   •   Feb 20
    Iā€™m quite aware that these are not new ideas. Lots of people have been talking about this sort of thing for years. Itā€™s cool IndieWeb has made a start. Pretty exciting! I would like to learn more. Have you worked on my (4) and (5) at all, to make old nets forward-compatible?
    Aaron Parecki
    Yeah basically 4 and 5 are covered by the idea of POSSE https://indieweb.org/POSSE but it works the opposite direction.

    I'm writing this on my website, and it gets automatically copied to Twitter. I also am reading your replies in Monocle, my reader app.
    Chicago, Illinois, USA • 31°F
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  • Larry Sanger https://twitter.com/lsanger   •   Feb 20
    I would love to read an analysis of how well this project satisfies the vision of a decentralized social media architecture. I might not be able to get around to doing such an analysis myself for a while.
    Aaron Parecki
    Here's a diagram explaining the architecture of a typical interaction lifecycle. Each person is using different apps and different software for their websites, a key aspect to a truly decentralized and robust network.
    Chicago, Illinois, USA • 31°F
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