It's almost like the technology isn't the problem ... 🤔🤯 • Aaron Parecki

Anil Dash https://twitter.com/anildash • Jan 9
This is one of the most important aspects of Web 2.0 that web3 advocates have tried to retcon. That generation also started with optimistic creators talking about decentralized, user-owned, open protocols (open standards, even!) that would empower people. Guess how it played out.

It's almost like the technology isn't the problem ... 🤔🤯

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- wpboon
Have you written a response to this? Let me know the URL:
- debs twitter.com/debs
  
  Hahahaha ;)
  
  Sun, Jan 9, 2022 11:30pm +00:00 (via brid.gy)
- Jᵾlien Genestoux twitter.com/julien51
  
  But there's still centralization at some level. TCP? Maybe even HTTP?
  
  Sun, Jan 9, 2022 10:11pm +00:00 (via brid.gy)
- Aaron Parecki twitter.com/aaronpk
  
  I realize that certain applications require a global centralized network state, but many others do not! True decentralization should mean that I can talk to someone else without anyone else knowing that's happening.
  
  Sun, Jan 9, 2022 10:04pm +00:00 (via brid.gy)
- Jᵾlien Genestoux twitter.com/julien51
  
  Thanks for digging deeper! The "network" centralization is actually pretty much expected though?
  
  Sun, Jan 9, 2022 10:01pm +00:00 (via brid.gy)
- Aaron Parecki twitter.com/aaronpk
  
  I stand corrected, I finally found an explicit reference: ethereum.org/en/developers/… "The community maintains multiple open-source clients, developed by different teams using different programming languages." That's great, so at least it's only… aaronparecki.com/2022/01/09/12/
  
  Sun, Jan 9, 2022 7:49pm +00:00 (via brid.gy)
- Aaron Parecki twitter.com/aaronpk
  
  I did look around and couldn't find any mentions of those on any easily searchable docs. Where is this stuff described? I don't even see any reference to that on the main page about it ethereum.org/en/eth2/vision/
  
  Sun, Jan 9, 2022 7:33pm +00:00 (via brid.gy)
- Jᵾlien Genestoux twitter.com/julien51
  
  And, talking about monoculture, the thing that triggered the thread is @moxie 's post... How many implementations of Signal are there? From presentations I've seen him give, it's an extremely monolithic system, by design.
  
  Sun, Jan 9, 2022 6:33pm +00:00 (via brid.gy)
- Jᵾlien Genestoux twitter.com/julien51
  
  Please do your own research. It's all public, don't take my word for it. Ethereum has several node software in its 1.x version (geth, parity, erigon...) And an explicit goal of 2.0 is to have actually at least 6 iirc.
  
  Sun, Jan 9, 2022 6:29pm +00:00 (via brid.gy)
- Jᵾlien Genestoux twitter.com/julien51
  
  Please do your own research. It's all public, funny take my word for it. Ethereum has several "node" software in its 1.x version (geth, parity, erigon...) And an explicit goal of 2.0 is to have actually at least 6 iirc.
  
  Sun, Jan 9, 2022 6:20pm +00:00 (via brid.gy)
- Pat | builders👀 twitter.com/pvermont
  
  Once people understand this, web2 tech is just fine. Sadly it boils down to whose money you take to capitalize. Tokens give us a chance to organize and capitalize differently.
  
  Sun, Jan 9, 2022 5:55pm +00:00 (via brid.gy)
- Jᵾlien Genestoux twitter.com/julien51
  
  I have very limited connectivity right now (on a plane) but @VitalikButerin actually wrote multiple times about it on his blog.
  
  Sun, Jan 9, 2022 5:53pm +00:00 (via brid.gy)
- Jᵾlien Genestoux twitter.com/julien51
  
  Please do your own research before posting messages like this. It's all public. Ethereum has several "node" clients in its 1.x version (geth, parity, erigon...) And an explicit goal of 2.0 was to have actually at least 6.
  
  Sun, Jan 9, 2022 5:52pm +00:00 (via brid.gy)
- Aaron Parecki twitter.com/aaronpk
  
  Are there more than one implementation of the e*t*h protocol? As far as I can tell everyone participating in the network is expected to run the same source code.
  
  Sun, Jan 9, 2022 5:43pm +00:00 (via brid.gy)
- Jᵾlien Genestoux twitter.com/julien51
  
  What monoculture are you referring to? As someone who's part of that ecosystem, i can guarantee it's a lot more diverse than the orders of magnitude larger than the indieweb one for example...
  
  Sun, Jan 9, 2022 5:36pm +00:00 (via brid.gy)
- Anil Dash twitter.com/anildash
  
  INDEEED
  
  Sun, Jan 9, 2022 5:11pm +00:00 (via brid.gy)
- Jᵾlien Genestoux twitter.com/julien51
  
  That's actually what happened to Compound recently. It's still much better than an arbitrary shutdown or upgrade because there's no recourse *at all* then.
  
  Sun, Jan 9, 2022 2:48pm +00:00 (via brid.gy)
- Kevin Marks twitter.com/kevinmarks
  
  Not sure that sounds like a great protocol for patching exploit bugs. "I'm sorry, we can't patch log4j until the votes are counted" It's also not what happens in practice in cryptocurrency circles either. See the 2013 bitcoin accidental fork, for example.
  
  Sun, Jan 9, 2022 2:20pm +00:00 (via brid.gy)
- Jᵾlien Genestoux twitter.com/julien51
  
  Oh it absolutely is. If there's a piece of code running somewhere that can be corrupted or arbitrarily changed by someone then it will be exploited. The technology exists to make code that can only be changed if the majority of actual users of said code agree to the change.
  
  Sun, Jan 9, 2022 1:16pm +00:00 (via brid.gy)

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