Aaron Parecki

Appreciate you sharing this feedback - we'll highlight this to our engineering team for their consideration. More detail about our security practices here: https://www.notion.so/Security-6c56b4854b624b0d8f36711018647f68

Apparently they use login tokens with 90 day expiration:
https://twitter.com/NotionHQ/status/1224791056442519552
Not sure why, it might be the most frustrating part of the UX.

@aaronpk Yes.

I managed some computers remotely on a ship outside Africa once, they paid thousands of dollars equivalent per month for satellite equipment and internet, but only got 768 down and 256 up in kilobits.

We used to split it up into 512/128 for the servers, and 256/128 for the few clients to browse the internet (5 shared desktop computers), both splits with sad attempts of QoS ontop of them of course.

But after Windows 10 landed we just had to give up, one or two computers would barely work on 256k, but if we connected up all of them, the 256k of bandwidth didn't work. As long as three or more computers were powered on, even doing nothing, you were lucky to browse anything. With four or five machines powered on, you could just give up, nothing would ever load.

Eventually we gave up, giving all bandwidth to the more critical servers and said "sorry, no internet". Leaving all outside-world communication to go via the server, in the form of things such as low-bitrate VoIP calls or E-mail.

It's sad that 15 years ago, we were happy to finally get 768k broadband to replace our broadband, and I even downloaded torrents with that connection.

Yet now, with only a few Windows 10 computers, that whole broadband line could be almost entirely spent on forced telemetry.

@aaronpk Did you know that even though Windows 10 still supports dial-up, it doesn't really work.

The forced basic Telemetry, update checks, internet connectivity pings, etc. alone use up the 56k of bandwidth, so browsing the internet mostly just flat out doesn't work, regardless of patience. If you're lucky, you can get some text content popping up after a minute or two, but even if you wait 15 minutes, most sites are likely to never load a single image unless they're small sub 64x64 pixel icons. 90% of your http requests are simply going to time out or die for other reasons.

I've run these systems.

Was the Gmail basic view any better? https://support.google.com/mail/answer/15049?hl=en

They may be simultaneous connections but you make it sound like a server farm. They are "periodic" demands for upload or download. Maybe 30% of 300 seats are connected, for 90 connections. 10% hit the return key at the same moment, for 9 hits to the uplink at any instance.

I hear you, but I wonder if you don't have it backwards. 2020 is the year and airlines WiFi is like 1995 dialup? Something is wrong and I think it may be in the sky.

That’s a shame, I once had Gmail be the only way I could access a file to print on a really old computer because of its legacy support.

I love when you're investigating a bug and the question "why is this broken!?" turns into "why did this ever work?!?"

I wanted to take some notes on the airplane so I pulled up Notion but it wouldn’t load because of lack of internet. This stuff kills me, it’s not acceptable

Amazing how well that 13-year old take has held up 😍. Not only does offline matter even less now than it did, the technology to do it is finally almost trivial (service workers). Glad we never wasted time on attempting it before that!

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Twitter plz help. Someone took a GIF of Leslie Neilson fighting people in an airport and labeled the people with stuff like "subscribe to our newsletter" and "review our cookie policy" and it was the best thing ever and I can't find it again.

Ok, I'd like to have one of those stickers :-) - hope to see you at Oktane.

Quick question, what has been updated in the Feb 2020 version of the Oauth 2.0 book? Is it worth getting over the 2017 version I have? Thanks

I'm quitting tech to become a good time off so that's a thing

Oh, good to know! Thanks!