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  • Darius Kazemi https://friend.camp/@darius   •   Feb 20

    @aaronpk This is echoing to a twitter account, yeah?

    Aaron Parecki
    Yeah I have to have a Twitter account for this to work but my site just uses the Twitter API to push content there.
    Chicago, Illinois • 32°F
    1 like
    Wed, Feb 20, 2019 11:31am -06:00
  • Aaron Parecki https://aaronparecki.com/   •   Feb 20
    Pretty pleased I managed to have this entire conversation with @lsanger on Twitter using only my own website and tools! Never had to visit Twitter or use any Twitter apps! Our #indieweb tools have come a long way! #ownyourdata
    Aaron Parecki
    and here is my previous post pushed out to Twitter and visible on Mastodon! #indieweb #ftw #distribution
    Chicago, Illinois, USA • 32°F
    2 likes 1 repost 5 replies
    Wed, Feb 20, 2019 11:29am -06:00 #indieweb #ftw #distribution
  • Larry Sanger https://twitter.com/lsanger   •   Feb 20
    Or rather, are they?
    Aaron Parecki
    Every W3C working group has a defined start and end date up front, and they have to be renewed explicitly. Twitter and Facebook of course aren't going to support the group, (not that they are members anyway), and the space is still new to other companies.
    Chicago, Illinois • 32°F
    Wed, Feb 20, 2019 10:53am -06:00
  • Larry Sanger https://twitter.com/lsanger   •   Feb 20
    Or rather, are they?
    Aaron Parecki
    It's a bit complicated, but there isn't a "W3C entity" that can be interested. Instead, representatives of member companies have to show support, and there wasn't enough interest from companies to keep it going after the 4 year charter was up.
    Chicago, Illinois • 32°F
    Wed, Feb 20, 2019 10:52am -06:00
  • Larry Sanger https://twitter.com/lsanger   •   Feb 20
    I might just do that.

    I also wonder if there might be some value in making the standards interoperable with the Everipedia Network. It’s not just for encyclopedias.

    I actually want to study the standards themselves too. Have they been endorsed/adopted by the W3C?
    Aaron Parecki
    Wonderful!

    Yes, three of them are W3C Recommendations! There's also a few more pieces to the puzzle that were created after the W3C group concluded, more details here:

    https://spec.indieweb.org/
    Chicago, Illinois • 31°F
    1 reply
    Wed, Feb 20, 2019 10:42am -06:00
  • Larry Sanger https://twitter.com/lsanger   •   Feb 20
    Twitter and the other big networks steal our privacy. We want them to disappear (or reform) for that reason. So we need to give people ways to exit the digital plantation—plugins are essential to that goal IMO.
    Aaron Parecki
    I agree, but a good first start is to treat it as ephemeral and own all of the content you post there so it doesn't matter if it disappears. I see you have a blog, so you can do it right now! Start posting there and use plugins to syndicate to Twitter!
    Chicago, Illinois • 31°F
    3 replies
    Wed, Feb 20, 2019 10:36am -06:00
  • Larry Sanger https://twitter.com/lsanger   •   Feb 20
    But it does live on Twitter, right? I mean you have copied it there. I would rather not copy my stuff there if I don’t have to. I would prefer Twitter to die a long and painful death. Short would be OK too.

    You are not giving people any incentive to leave Twitter, are you?
    Aaron Parecki
    Maybe this example would help illustrate? Here's our conversation we've been having as far as I see it: https://aaronparecki.com/replies

    It's true that I still need a Twitter account for this to work, but if Twitter disappears tomorrow I wouldn't care.
    Chicago, Illinois • 31°F
    1 like 6 replies
    Wed, Feb 20, 2019 10:19am -06:00
  • Larry Sanger https://twitter.com/lsanger   •   Feb 20
    Suppose I don’t want to copy anything to Twitter, but I want to let people who are on Twitter read my microposts on Twitter. They’d need a browser plug-in to do that. This way, we help them seek beyond that ecosystem and enter a broader, encompassing network.
    Aaron Parecki
    It would actually solve the issue with Facebook since they disabled their API and I can't post to it anymore. It'd be fun if my Facebook friends could still see my stuff! I'm just not willing to post there manually.
    Chicago, Illinois • 31°F
    1 reply
    Wed, Feb 20, 2019 10:17am -06:00
  • Larry Sanger https://twitter.com/lsanger   •   Feb 20
    Suppose I don’t want to copy anything to Twitter, but I want to let people who are on Twitter read my microposts on Twitter. They’d need a browser plug-in to do that. This way, we help them seek beyond that ecosystem and enter a broader, encompassing network.
    Aaron Parecki
    Yeah I do like that idea! I might have to experiment with something like that. All the pieces are already in place to have that work with the IndieWeb building blocks too!
    Chicago, Illinois • 31°F
    1 reply
    Wed, Feb 20, 2019 10:16am -06:00
  • Larry Sanger https://twitter.com/lsanger   •   Feb 20
    I’m quite aware that these are not new ideas. Lots of people have been talking about this sort of thing for years. It’s cool IndieWeb has made a start. Pretty exciting! I would like to learn more. Have you worked on my (4) and (5) at all, to make old nets forward-compatible?
    Aaron Parecki
    This way none of my content really lives on twitter since it's all on my site. Twitter is just a channel for me to have conversations with people who don't yet post on their own websites.
    Chicago, Illinois • 31°F
    8 replies
    Wed, Feb 20, 2019 10:11am -06:00
  • Larry Sanger https://twitter.com/lsanger   •   Feb 20
    I’m quite aware that these are not new ideas. Lots of people have been talking about this sort of thing for years. It’s cool IndieWeb has made a start. Pretty exciting! I would like to learn more. Have you worked on my (4) and (5) at all, to make old nets forward-compatible?
    Aaron Parecki
    Yeah basically 4 and 5 are covered by the idea of POSSE https://indieweb.org/POSSE but it works the opposite direction.

    I'm writing this on my website, and it gets automatically copied to Twitter. I also am reading your replies in Monocle, my reader app.
    Chicago, Illinois, USA • 31°F
    2 likes 5 replies
    Wed, Feb 20, 2019 10:10am -06:00
  • Larry Sanger https://twitter.com/lsanger   •   Feb 20
    I would love to read an analysis of how well this project satisfies the vision of a decentralized social media architecture. I might not be able to get around to doing such an analysis myself for a while.
    Aaron Parecki
    Here's a diagram explaining the architecture of a typical interaction lifecycle. Each person is using different apps and different software for their websites, a key aspect to a truly decentralized and robust network.
    Chicago, Illinois, USA • 31°F
    4 likes 4 replies
    Wed, Feb 20, 2019 9:55am -06:00
  • Everipedia https://twitter.com/Everipedia   •   Feb 20
    hey aaron! you should create the indieweb page on everipedia, we can tweet it!
    Aaron Parecki
    hmm I don't think I understand, there's already a page but it appears to be a copy of the Wikipedia page, which isn't actually a very good description https://everipedia.org/wiki/lang_en/IndieWeb/
    Chicago, Illinois • 31°F
    1 like 1 reply
    Wed, Feb 20, 2019 9:35am -06:00
  • Larry Sanger https://twitter.com/lsanger   •   Feb 20
    Neat! Do you have to use http://indieweb.com in order to “join the movement”? If so, it’s not decentralized. And it also needs independent standards, or it won’t have the ultimate effect—it’d remain a front end to existing services. Anyway, I will definitely read up on this.
    Aaron Parecki
    Those specs are arguably not the best introduction to the concepts which is why I linked the blog post instead 😊
    Chicago, Illinois • 31°F
    1 reply
    Wed, Feb 20, 2019 9:33am -06:00
  • Larry Sanger https://twitter.com/lsanger   •   Feb 20
    Neat! Do you have to use http://indieweb.com in order to “join the movement”? If so, it’s not decentralized. And it also needs independent standards, or it won’t have the ultimate effect—it’d remain a front end to existing services. Anyway, I will definitely read up on this.
    Aaron Parecki
    You don't need to explain decentralization to me ;-) I am literally the author of several W3C specs that are being used to build decentralized social networks!

    https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/
    https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/
    https://www.w3.org/TR/websub/
    https://www.w3.org/TR/indieauth/
    Chicago, Illinois • 31°F
    4 likes 1 reply
    Wed, Feb 20, 2019 9:32am -06:00
  • Larry Sanger https://twitter.com/lsanger   •   Feb 20
    I think I’ve figured out the broad strategy for how to decentralize social media. How do we get people using new, better networks? Here’s how!

    My latest: https://larrysanger.org/2019/02/how-to-decentralize-social-media-a-brief-sketch/ #socialmedia #facebook #twitter #foss #blockchain
    @Everipedia
    #decentralization #privacy
    Aaron Parecki
    You should come check out what we're doing on the #IndieWeb, it's basically exactly this, built with many W3C standards! Here's a writeup about my current social media experience, I stopped using Twitter ages ago:

    https://aaronparecki.com/2018/04/20/46/indieweb-reader-my-new-home-on-the-internet
    Chicago, Illinois, USA • 29°F
    13 likes 1 repost 5 replies 1 mention
    Wed, Feb 20, 2019 7:13am -06:00 #indieweb
  • Christopher Lemmer Webber https://octodon.social/@cwebber   •   Feb 20

    @aaronpk user freedom, then? :)

    Aaron Parecki
    "User" has its own set of problems too, like connotations with drug use, which is particularly a problem when we're talking about making things that are alternatives to Facebook/Twitter which are known to create addictive behavior.

    It's also not a term from an individual's perspective. People don't think of themselves as users of software, only the software authors do.
    Deerfield, Illinois • 30°F
    Wed, Feb 20, 2019 5:48am -06:00
  • frank87 https://mastodon.pirateparty.be/@frank87   •   Feb 19

    @aaronpk It's about who gets to you. Facebook decides who gets into your bubble if you are using Facebook. Three words: control your bubble.

    Aaron Parecki
    I guess that sounds like a different problem. That's definitely also an issue worth solving, and "control your bubble" is cute. I don't think that means "own your data" shouldn't also be a goal though.
    Deerfield, Illinois • 29°F
    1 reply
    Tue, Feb 19, 2019 8:47pm -06:00
  • Ryan Kao https://twitter.com/ryan_kao   •   Feb 18
    Finally finished my @DJIGlobal Osmo Pocket review.. super proud of this one! Go take a peak 🥳 https://youtu.be/JpXEE9761TM
    Aaron Parecki
    I was watching your video and I was like "hey I know that coffee shop", "I recognize that building!" Nicely done! Would love to chat when I'm back in town!
    Deerfield, Illinois, USA • 28°F
    1 like 1 reply
    Tue, Feb 19, 2019 8:25pm -06:00
  • http://tantek.com/2019/051/e1/homebrew-website-club-sf
    Aaron Parecki

    My morning flight got cancelled and I got moved to a flight that arrives after HWC ends. 😔

    I get in to SF Wednesday late afternoon so it's possible I will be there!

    Deerfield, Illinois, USA • 28°F
    Tue, Feb 19, 2019 5:00pm -06:00
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Hi, I'm Aaron Parecki, Director of Identity Standards at Okta, and co-founder of IndieWebCamp. I maintain oauth.net, write and consult about OAuth, and participate in the OAuth Working Group at the IETF. I also help people learn about video production and livestreaming. (detailed bio)

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