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aaronpk_tv
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Looking forward to my first IndieWebCamp NYC! -
Tom MacWright
https://twitter.com/tmcw
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Sep 25
i mean, https://indieweb.org/h-card mentions exactly one consumer, which is telegraph, which you wrote and which is the one you're typing that reply from, right? http://microformats.org page lists 4 implementations http://microformats.org/wiki/h-card#Implementations - of which 1 is dead and 1 only produces.
aha that explains the confusion then. The wiki pages clearly need updating because there are a *lot* more consumers than that. -
Tom MacWright
https://twitter.com/tmcw
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Sep 25
there's discussion in the thread, but the gist is that stuff like h-card is a decade-old spec without a single fully-formed consumer. mostly the same with h-entry. but instead of de-emphasizing these specs, they're at the top of the 'adopt indieweb' bits https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started
That said, I totally agree that specs without implementations are dangerous. I didn't bother adding Microformats to my website until there was a clear consuming use case for the additional markup. But that was like 7+ years ago now.
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Tom MacWright
https://twitter.com/tmcw
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Sep 25
there's discussion in the thread, but the gist is that stuff like h-card is a decade-old spec without a single fully-formed consumer. mostly the same with h-entry. but instead of de-emphasizing these specs, they're at the top of the 'adopt indieweb' bits https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started
I still don't understand where this "without a consumer" is coming from, there are plenty of consumers of those, including the app I am typing this reply from.
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Tom MacWright
https://twitter.com/tmcw
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Sep 25
but even something like h-card - it predates the webmention spec by a solid decade, but i struggle to find any implementation or usecase served that isn't just webmentions
That’s tricky. hCard (Microformats 1) was/is indexed by Google. The Webmention spec (published in 2017) was published after years of implementations working in the wild. Before Webmention existed, h-card/h-entry was used with Pingback to send comments back and forth.
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Tom MacWright
https://twitter.com/tmcw
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Sep 25
i'm kind of sold on webmention - been silently using http://webmention.io for a while, but the volume hasn't convinced me to display the results onsite. i'm not sure that it relies on h-card/entry, though, and the many many http://schema.org schemas don't have consumers
Wait were you referring to schema.org vocabs in your comment about pushing specs that don’t have implementations? Because yeah I agree completely on that front.
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Sascha
https://twitter.com/sbleidner
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Sep 12
We are hosting a @home_assistant meetup in Frankfurt on October 27th 🎉. We’ll talk Home Assistant, home automation and open source. @balloob will be joining us as a special guest. Find out more on https://meetup.sascha-bleidner.de #homeassistant
ahh I'm going to just miss you! But it would be great to see you and/or @balloob at IndieWebCamp Nürnberg (Oct 20-21) or Berlin (Nov 3-4)! https://indieweb.org/Events#October -
worthalter
https://twitter.com/worthalter
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Sep 24
Congratulations Aaron. Was your talk recorded? I’d love to watch it.
Thanks! It was recorded, but will take a little while for them to publish all the videos from the conference. The videos will end up here eventually! http://qs18.quantifiedself.com/program/ -
That's a great writeup with a lot of good points! I particularly like your thoughts on API design!
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joshs harp
https://mastodon.social/@joshsharp
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Sep 23
Web app tip: Don't use a .io tld unless you want everyone deciding the tld is part of the product's name even though you never, ever use it anywhere in any branding or anything. Argh 😡
fwiw I usually intentionally call it exist.io because just "exist" won't help people be able to find it. -
joshs harp
https://mastodon.social/@joshsharp
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Sep 23
@aaronpk I think that's a fair answer if you buy that owning the content makes the community "the whole internet", but it's not. There's an awkward split between the blog content itself and the community of users interacting on micro blog. The latter will always exist separately to individual blogs and thus needs to give users (some level of) control.
That's also true. I forget about that because I always reply to people on micro.blog from my own website via my reader rather than from the micro.blog app/website. -
joshs harp
https://mastodon.social/@joshsharp
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Sep 23
Wrote a thing on my micro.blog blog about why I think micro.blog isn't the big alternative to other closed source networks like Twitter that it wants to be, in case you're interested https://micro.joshsharp.com.au/2018/09/22/12/
(Mastodon is better.)
But micro.blog's goal (and the goal of the larger IndieWeb) is that the community is the whole internet, so everyone becomes the owner of their own community by the choice of who they interact with online. Sure a particular piece of software should have a good governance model, but communities and software should not be linked one-to-one. -
Trevor Flowers 🌸🌸
https://xoxo.zone/@trevorfsmith
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Sep 22
Are there software devs successfully using Patreon to fund middleware? I'd love to find a community-oriented model for funding PotassiumES at a level where it could become a solid foundation for the wider web.
Any reason you're looking at Patreon specifically? There's a lot of that kind of thing on https://opencollective.com -
oh yay exciting! Looking forward to it!
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Felix
https://twitter.com/felixplesoianu
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Sep 21
I want to like the #IndieWeb movement, but just like the #ActivityPub crowd, they're obsessed with the push model. It rubs me the wrong way.
I'm not sure what you mean... the vast majority of interactions happen because of polling web pages rather than websub, and even webmentions -- while the notification itself is a push -- require fetching the site to get the actual data. -
Jon Mitchell
https://jonmitchell.net/micro/?author=50537478e4b0e1565e12dbbe
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Sep 20
How are folks organizing their favorite places/stores/restaurants/etc. on iOS? I was using third-party apps, but I switched to Maps favorites in their early days, and they were once blown away completely, so I bailed on that. Now I use Notes, but I don’t like it. Other ideas?
I still use lists on Foursquare for this -
Sad to miss you while you'll be in my hometown, I will be at IndieWebCamp in Germany! Hopefully we'll cross paths in the future!
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A notification is a good compromise here. Previously I was thinking about automatically ending a trip in this case, but I'm always worried about false positives, so a push notification suggestion with an easy to tap "confirm" would be great.
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aww, sorry to miss this! I'm going to be in Germany for an IndieWebCamp that weekend!
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Ben Michel
https://twitter.com/obensource
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Sep 18
Looking for 'protip' methods on hyper-accurate location tracking within a small area–like a single open room. What's out there for this?
What type of accuracy do you need? Bluetooth beacons can tell you when someone is in the immediate vicinity. If you need positioning at arbitrary locations that's a different story. I used a Wi-Fi system once, no software required in the phone but requires hardware in corners.
