Aaron Parecki

Not one single person in this group was paying attention to approaching cars. All of them were looking forward with tunnel vision.

I will admit to nothing of the sort. When I teach people pedestrian/bicycle safety I tell them that "You, and only you, are 100% responsible for your safety. If you get hit by a car, regardless of who was wrong or right, you were not being safe"

Most of them start flashing red while pedestrians are in the crosswalk. That tells those that aren't in the crosswalk not to cross and for those in the crosswalk to finish crossing.

I've seen a few crossing lights that turn to flashing red before pedestrians have enough time to cross roads in the Portland area. It is almost like traffic engineers widen the roads to allow more vehicles, but forget to adjust the timer for people to safely cross a wider road.

If I punch someone just for the hell of it, would say they contributed to getting punched by not dodging?

I will admit I jumped to conclusions when you cited ORS 814 if you admit that it is victim blaming and wrong to say that the cyclists contributed to this incident at all

But I'm still waiting for you to point out where I said it's ok for a driver to plow through pedestrians

That's how they contributed to this incident. If they had been paying attention at the worst we're looking at a near miss.

As a cyclist or pedestrian you never take your attention away from potential hazards (approaching cars) because regardless of who is right or who is wrong, the cyclist and pedestrian will lose every time in a collision with a vehicle.

Acting as though the cyclists did anything unreasonable here is just not a good faith argument. I'm not sure what you wanted them to do differently. Keep in mind that if he *had* started crossing any earlier, the van would have hit more than his front wheel.

I'm sorry, please point out exactly where I said it was ok to plow down pedestrians.