oh we've tried, but then the glowing eyeballs come out yelling ... • Aaron Parecki

Anil Dash https://twitter.com/anildash • Dec 15
Fully agree with this point. There is so much prior art about decentralization being ignored. But most of the fediverse/indieweb folks I see have not engaged with decentralization fans to say "we've got stuff that's better/cheaper/already works".

oh we've tried, but then the glowing eyeballs come out yelling and screaming and it just isn't a productive discussion for anyone

Portland, Oregon, USA • 39°F

Wed, Dec 15, 2021 8:33am -08:00

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Have you written a response to this? Let me know the URL:
- Peter da Silva twitter.com/Resuna
  
  The Metaverse in Snow Crash was much more like Compuserve than the Web. As is Facebook Horizon or whatever Zuckerberg is pushing these days. Which is probably why Zuck likes it so much.
  
  Wed, Dec 15, 2021 8:12pm +00:00 (via brid.gy)
- Peter da Silva twitter.com/Resuna
  
  The web was already a massive decentralization compared to the "online services" model like Compuserve and Delphi. Just implement many many good independent websites that aren't Facebook and Amazon.
  
  Wed, Dec 15, 2021 7:19pm +00:00 (via brid.gy)
- Pelle Wessman twitter.com/voxpelli
  
  I disagree with your retelling of history. As I see it, new patterns gets established, then standardized. The new pattern which killed the blogosphere was the social features. Usually it would have been standardized and the pendulum swinged back, but the network effect stopped it
  
  Wed, Dec 15, 2021 6:29pm +00:00 (via brid.gy)
- Mark Masterson twitter.com/mastermark
  
  So, hypothesis: part of our (emotional?) reaction to web3 arises from this experience. From a scarred, bitter revulsion at the crass $$$ focus, which from experience looks like the failed *end state* to us, not a promising new dawn... 2/2
  
  Wed, Dec 15, 2021 6:20pm +00:00 (via brid.gy)
- Mark Masterson twitter.com/mastermark
  
  An observation; 'succesful' examples of 'prior art' have a common pattern of having been non-commercial. And of having ended when commercial exploitation began (eg ad driven walled gardens killing blogoverse, AOL killing BBS) 1/2
  
  Wed, Dec 15, 2021 6:18pm +00:00 (via brid.gy)
- Kevin Marks twitter.com/kevinmarks
  
  There is a lot of lip service to decentralisation with little analysis of what is considered centralised. I made my own namespace with blackjack and hookers isn't it.
  
  Wed, Dec 15, 2021 5:49pm +00:00 (via brid.gy)
- Anil Dash twitter.com/anildash
  
  Yep, though I think most people who want one to succeed want to see the other thrive as well.
  
  Wed, Dec 15, 2021 5:09pm +00:00 (via brid.gy)
- Anil Dash twitter.com/anildash
  
  Ah, good to know. Maybe this is something I can help with.
  
  Wed, Dec 15, 2021 5:08pm +00:00 (via brid.gy)
- Pelle Wessman twitter.com/voxpelli
  
  I'm pretty sure the "fediverse" refers to the federated social network that is Mastodon (where every node typically serves many people), whereas the IndieWeb instead focuses on a decentralized, not federated, social network where every actor controls their own node
  
  Wed, Dec 15, 2021 5:06pm +00:00 (via brid.gy)
- Anil Dash twitter.com/anildash
  
  And the efforts generally referred to as the “fediverse” that spun out of these communities are thriving and well worth investigating.
  
  Wed, Dec 15, 2021 5:04pm +00:00 (via brid.gy)
- Danny Page twitter.com/DannyPage
  
  - Audio: funkwhale.audio - Video: PeerTube. One great one specifically: tilvids.com/w/69da6d3a-b56… - Images: pixelfed.org General List of ActivityPub software: github.com/BasixKOR/aweso…
  
  Wed, Dec 15, 2021 4:55pm +00:00 (via brid.gy)
- Daniel misses Maracaibo Christmas twitter.com/510home
  
  As a creative working for a tech company, I’d love to find out more about those alternatives, if only as a point of comparison to web3. Where can I find out more about decentralization outside of the web3 hype?
  
  Wed, Dec 15, 2021 4:47pm +00:00 (via brid.gy)

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